{"id":3518,"date":"2010-08-25T10:45:51","date_gmt":"2010-08-25T14:45:51","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.jasetaro.com\/blog\/?p=3518"},"modified":"2010-08-28T14:08:09","modified_gmt":"2010-08-28T18:08:09","slug":"cnbc-economy-caught-in-depression-not-recession","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.jasetaro.com\/blog\/2010\/08\/25\/cnbc-economy-caught-in-depression-not-recession\/","title":{"rendered":"CNBC: Economy Caught in Depression, Not Recession"},"content":{"rendered":"<p>I be the first one to admit I&#8217;m a pessimist on the economy, but not even I&#8217;m <a href=\"http:\/\/www.cnbc.com\/id\/38831550\" target=\"_blank\">this<\/a> pessimistic:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>Positive gross domestic product readings and  other mildly hopeful signs are masking an ugly truth: The US economy is  in a 1930s-style Depression, Gluskin Sheff economist David Rosenberg  said Tuesday.<\/p>\n<p>Writing  in his daily briefing to investors, Rosenberg said the Great Depression  also had its high points, with a series of positive GDP reports and  sharp stock market gains.<\/p>\n<p>But then as now, those signs of recovery were unsustainable and only provided a false sense of stability, said Rosenberg.<\/p>\n<p>Rosenberg calls <a href=\"http:\/\/www.cnbc.com\/id\/20910258\/?site=20910258\">current economic conditions<\/a><strong><strong> <\/strong><\/strong>&#8220;a  depression, and not just some garden-variety recession,&#8221; and notes that  any good news both during the initial 1929-33 recession and the one  that began in 2008 triggered &#8220;euphoric response.&#8221;<\/p>\n<p>&#8220;Such  is human nature and nobody can be blamed for trying to be optimistic;  however, in the money management business, we have a fiduciary  responsibility to be as realistic as possible about the outlook for the  economy and the market at all times,&#8221; he said.<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Mr. Rosenberg&#8217;s argument it compelling, I&#8217;m not sure agree with him, but like I said I&#8217;m a pessimist on the economy. I&#8217;ve thought all along this so called recovery was more akin to a dead cat bounce than an actual meaningful sustained recovery&#8230; And that&#8217;s what the data seems to indicate. All the indicators I&#8217;m looking at, <a href=\"http:\/\/strata-sphere.com\/blog\/index.php\/archives\/14010\" target=\"_blank\">employment<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/online.wsj.com\/article\/SB10001424052748703447004575449352676306326.html?mod=WSJ_hpp_LEFTWhatsNewsCollection\" target=\"_blank\">housing<\/a>, <a href=\"http:\/\/www.bloomberg.com\/news\/2010-08-25\/durable-goods-orders-rise-less-than-forecast-in-u-s-as-investment-cools.html\" target=\"_blank\">durable goods<\/a>, and <a href=\"http:\/\/www.conference-board.org\/data\/consumerconfidence.cfm\" target=\"_blank\">consumer confidence<\/a> are pointing to anything but a recovery. Are we actually in a depression? I don&#8217;t know, but I think it&#8217;s safe to say this isn&#8217;t a garden variety recession.<\/p>\n<p><strong>Related<\/strong><\/p>\n<ul>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.wsj.com\/marketbeat\/2010\/08\/23\/yes-folks-hindenburg-omen-tripped-again\/\" target=\"_blank\">Yes Folks, Hindenburg Omen Tripped Again<\/a> &#8211; Wall Street Journal<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.ft.com\/cms\/s\/0\/85b58588-af4e-11df-a172-00144feabdc0.html\" target=\"_blank\">Asian markets continue retreat from risk<\/a> &#8211; Financial Times<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/blogs.reuters.com\/columns\/2010\/08\/19\/u-s-deficit-forecast-masks-true-scope-of-problem\/\" target=\"_blank\">U.S. deficit forecast masks true scope of problem<\/a> &#8211; James Pethokoukis, Reuters<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.cnbc.com\/id\/38674003\" target=\"_blank\">Youth Unemployment Hits Record High<\/a> &#8211; CNBC<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.marketwatch.com\/story\/july-new-home-sales-fall-to-record-low-pace-2010-08-25\" target=\"_blank\">July New-home sales drop to record low 276,000 yearly rate<\/a> &#8211; Market Watch<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/online.wsj.com\/article\/SB10001424052748704147804575455270227305744.html\" target=\"_blank\">Second Quarter GDP Growth Revised Downward<\/a> &#8211; Wall Street Journal<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.google.com\/hostednews\/ap\/article\/ALeqM5iadyD5XKmEBG9rKT1EOkoaeIUPwwD9HRMPH01\" target=\"_blank\">What Biden didn&#8217;t mention on stimulus<\/a> &#8211; Associated Press<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/politics.usnews.com\/opinion\/mzuckerman\/articles\/2010\/08\/26\/the-most-fiscally-irresponsible-government-in-us-history.html\" target=\"_blank\">The Most Fiscally Irresponsible Government in U.S. History<\/a> &#8211; Mort Zuckerman, U.S. News<\/li>\n<li><a href=\"http:\/\/www.mcclatchydc.com\/2010\/08\/27\/99763\/bad-statistics-for-summer-employment.html\" target=\"_blank\">Bad statistics for summer employment for youth<\/a> &#8211; McClatchy<\/li>\n<\/ul>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>I be the first one to admit I&#8217;m a pessimist on the economy, but not even I&#8217;m this pessimistic: Positive gross domestic product readings and other mildly hopeful signs are masking an ugly truth: The US economy is in a 1930s-style Depression, Gluskin Sheff economist David Rosenberg said Tuesday. 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